Melanotan.org is strongly considering shutting down the buying & selling forum.
 
Back when the buying & selling section was created the peptides were still a bit difficult to find and it was frequently happening that offers to sell or buy the peptides were made in the general forum areas. Since that time the peptides have become very popular with thousands of people using them and as a result this section has taken on a new meaning relative to the forums that it did not have when it was created. This new meaning is falling out of touch with the informational sharing goals of the forum. To be honest this section is becoming a bit of a burden for the site.
We tried to curtail the usage of this site by uninformed members of the public by limiting access to this section and subsequently we've seen an explosion in the number of posts of new members.
 
Before a final decision is made about this we wanted to hear fellow forum users' thoughts about the buying & selling forum and it's existence here on melanotan.org.  
 
What are your views about this section?
 
I invite everyone to contribute to this discussion, buyers/sellers and otherwise.
 
Looking forward to reading your responses,
 
-Scott

Hi, I'm a new member, although I have read posts on this site for some time now. I'm not sure I understand the rational behind making the buy and sell forum more private than the other forums. Clearly, you don't want sellers flooding it with spam, but it does fulfill a very needed service. When I search for suppliers I have no idea what is real/scam. There is no way to assess quality.

Scott, could you explain in what way the B&S forum is becoming a burden? From my point of view it appears to be relatively quiet compared to the wider forum. Or is it that you are feeling concern off the back of some of the recent media reporting?  If that is what you're talking about then I can see why you might be worried, but I'm not sure what the solution is. If the forum is closed, then you're sure to see more messages scattered around asking where to buy melanotan. How do you deal with the inevitability of members wanting to know where they can get hold of the very substance they are here to learn about? I have a number of websites which sell melanotan bookmarked, but if they disapper I'll be wanting to find a new source.  What do I do then?  Do we keep the distribution of melanotan under the table, information passed around with a wink and a nudge?
 
For the record I think you do a great job of encouraging people to inform themselves before taking melanotan. You promote a culture of responsibility. That cannot be denied.

Closing this forum part will be the death of melanotan.org I think.
This is the part of the forum that gives you some sort of safety.
If this section of the forum closes, just close it all.
If this section is closed the only result we'll see is this:
people constantly posting links in the melanotan II disussion section to sites where people sell melanotan II and they'll ask "IS THIS REAL" etc.
Not to mention how easy it'll make exploiters sell fake melanotan II, no quality control like on this forum.
 
So either keep it open or close melanotan.org all together, it'll be it's death either way.

i think this section is awsome! it gets rid of scammers trying to scam people on fake peptides and gives good feedback or negative on the sellers... without this section someone could get scammed and not spread the info on this person.anyone can type melanotan II on google and get scammed... with this section people see what is good and what is not...also i agree with above post.... i think length of time here instead of post count should allow people to this section. that would elminate 100% of the newbies and stop the problem. atleast 6months?? sounds reasonable.

good point sideways... i agree... but putting a limit on for atleast 6 to 12months  of membership gets rid of the problem... try that first before you call it quits... that would elminate the majority of the problems in my opinion.. i am a mod on other message boards(bodybuilding concerened) and see whats going on.... just my 2 cents... we have a confined community(between us all) that gives negative/postive feedback on what is going on... therefore its GOOD.... just m two cents.. im studdering.

I think that if you were to keep it around, that making limitations based on length of being a member of the forum would be much more effective than X number of posts. By having it set up the way it seems to do the opposite - an overload of random posts from new people, just to access a section that should be accessed after spending some time reading through a tremendous amount of useful/needed info throughout the rest of the forum. This is what I have done for around 4 years now, and the fact that I like to stay up to date with current sellers available along with dealings/issues that other members have all in one organized place is what I like about having the Buy/Sell section.
 
Personally, I have a good idea who I would go with when I need to order, but seeing how it has been a while since I bought anything, and the last seller I purchased from no longer has anything available, not being to access the Buy/Sell section because of # of posts is useless. At least maybe this will count towards that access - and a few more spams - just hopefully I can get caught up with current buyer/seller posts before it is shut down for good  

I absolutely agree that this site should NOT be a venue for buying and selling.  Indeed, the way things are going, continuing as such may well result in the whole forum being forced to shut down.
 
The info on this site is too valuable a resource for us all to lose.
 
There are other possible venues which are non-centralized and hence more resilient to forced termination (with redundant email-based communication specifically coming to mind).

Well, Here I sit at the keys, trying to type something that will be worth reading...But the more I try to sort this out in my mind, the more I realize that I perceive and must deal with many complex and intertwined issues as related to our forum and our community. The whole thing braches and sub-branches into matters of law, international trade and market policy, human psycology, public health, private aspiration and need, even civil rights and race issues apply at times and some really weird posts have surfaced here and there.
But I can say this: I have "lurked" in this forum for years as a "guest" before making that first impatient post about 4 months ago. Melanotan.org has been useful, informative, at times fun. and it's helped me to deal with longings of my own, and to discover that I had a chance to make great "lemonade" out of my own very personal mental "lemons".
I do realize that the ground is shifting beneath us with the escalating attentions being paid to us. I do suspect that whatever happens, it will need to be decided and guided by those that have been willing and able to invest so much time actually operating this forum and by those who brought the higher quality content to the forum for so long. You know who you are.
Buy or sell section or no, I suspect melanotan.org will continue in some form. I only wish I had more time to give it, but I work 7 days a week as it is. So, as always, it's on the sholders of our best & brightest forum staff members and users and I back pretty much whatever you decide.
One last comment, I do note that high level researchers from drug companies are starting to participate and post. I actually came here today to thank one guy who posted a week or so ago, but found this going on instead. I wish them luck and hope we get to enjoy the new products soon, whether "unapproved use" or no. Things are changing: Quoting myself from that first amateurish post I made: "Drug companies: Wake up!..." ....Indeed!!!

Hey Darkhorse, a separate web site for Buy/Sell sounds good but would be shut down in no time if an aggessive crackdown occurred.  The same is true for the individual vendor's sites.  A working system with a chance of survival really needs to be non-centralized and redundant... it is the only way.  Email is the easiest way to accomplish this.  And/or informational file sharing via P2P.
 
I can't believe I am having to write this... what is happening to our individual human rights?