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Reply #60 - 01/05/10 at 02:02:47
 
poissonke -  
 
I have a hard time reading your posts, but I can tell you your dates are way off.  They will not file in the US in the 3rd quarter.   They still are not even sure if the FDA will allow them to start Phase III in the US - we'll find out soon enough.  EVen if they do allow them to, they cannot finish the spring / summer trial, get all the data together, and file that quickly.  And they will not file in the US before the EMEA.  The EMEA filing will not happen that quickly either.
 
Epitan was trying to get the drug approved a preventative for sun damage - they were not dumb enough to try to get it approved just for cosmetic.   And it was Epitan that started the orginal PMLE trial - that about a year before Wolgen took over.    So the mgmt team at Epitan at least had some things going for them.
 
And by the way, shareholders loved Epitan.  Clinuvel can't drum up any excitement whatsoever in the market.   Charts don't fib.    
 
Do you have any idea how many more years it will be before regular Joe and Janes can get Clinuvel's drug at an affordable price?    
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see a cosmetic alternative by that time.  Clinuvel dragged this out too long and they will miss the cosmetic gravy train.  If they just want to be an EPP company, they can go for it.
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Reply #61 - 01/05/10 at 16:28:27
 
"Do you have any idea how many more years it will be before regular Joe and Janes can get Clinuvel's drug at an affordable price?"

Neither have you, but it dosen't stop you from making statements like that, same about pricing, nobody knows, unless you're a board member of the company.....clinuvel will place the drug on the market for EPP first, where it moves from there one....future will tell....not you and me!
 
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Reply #62 - 01/05/10 at 23:53:30
 
The share price is ridiculously low DESPITE constant good news.
Makes you wonder huh?
In my opinion that just means that not many people believe in this share/company right now, otherwise more would invest.
The share has the potential to  skyrocket but not with EPP alone, that is not enough!!
They need 2-3 good/solid proven indications where the product really shines!
At the moment it looks like they dont have it!
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Reply #63 - 01/06/10 at 10:35:00
 
There has been a lot spoken about the cost of the implant once it receives market approval and l appreciate we can only speculate BUT what are your thoughts on the cost????
$200, $2000, $20000 an implant????  
 
Plus, do you not think the FDA would intervene if Clinuvel pursue the EPP indication route only as there are millions who would benefit from this drug.
 
It would be unethical  to restrict this from the indications it was originally intended for.
Over one million new cases of skin cancer are diagnosed in the US yearly!!!
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Reply #64 - 01/06/10 at 22:54:59
 
Starrynight, when you talk about cost of the implant for you and I, are you talking from an american healthcare system point of view where the patient's insurance covers it/they fork out for it themselves? If you think that would be the case do you think that in countries like the U.K which have tax-funded healthcare, people will be able to get access to the implant through the NHS?
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Reply #65 - 01/10/10 at 15:52:02
 
Hey guys –  
 
Responding to some of your latest comments…
 
Cruserx – You’ve got it nailed down.  EPP will not be enough.  That’s one of the reasons the share price is so low.  Clinuvel’s PLE trial was not statistically significant.  They have to do it over again now.   As others mentioned, we all knew the drug was safe.  So, that was not going to move the share price up much just reporting the drug was found to be safe in the PLE trial.    
 
PLE is our hope for broad indication.  Without it, we just have EPP and maybe SU.  That’s not cool with shareholders.  So that was actually bad news.  No one wants to see them have to do a trial over again and hope they get it right this time.
 
Even the EPP trial was statistically significant for only 35 of the 100 patients.  That may or may not be enough for the regulators.   But Clinuvel has to do supplemental a EPP trial.    More delays!
 
ARJ – I could not agree with the last paragraph in your latest post more.  Right on!  The FDA is run by *#(@#% who don’t have a clue.
 
Newnameolduser – I’m not sure how the new healthcare bill would impact Clinuvel.  The whole healthcare debate turns me off and I tune it out.  
 
Clinuvel’s CEO Dr. Strangelove has already said he will price the drug high.   A close source told me the price will shock people with how high it will be.  Angry
 
I was reading on a stock forum where someone said Clinuvel no longer says on their website they are opening a office in New Jersey – so I checked their website and sure enough, they no longer say New Jersey.   I wonder what that is all about.  Maybe they won’t be doing a US trial soon after all.    Angry
 
For the woman who has EPP who posted here last month they were about to get started with a trial and she was going to be in it, unless she or someone else says the trial is still on and they are told when it will start, then I have to wonder if these guys have scrapped the US trial for 2010.    
 
The wait on this drug just goes on forever.  I wish we had another company that was working on a product such as this.   Wonder whatever happened to Bryan Fuller's MelanX?     Shocked
 
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Reply #66 - 02/05/10 at 05:47:09
 
Quote from StarryNight on 01/10/10 at 15:52:02:


Even the EPP trial was statistically significant for only 35 of the 100 patients.  That may or may not be enough for the regulators.   But Clinuvel has to do supplemental a EPP trial.    More delays!


 
Where are you getting this information from? I've never seen any indication of this before.
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Reply #67 - 02/05/10 at 17:19:07
 
If dodgy sunscreens looked healthy and attractive when they were applied to our skin would people freak out and carry on as though it was the end of the world like they do with the Melanotan Peptides?  
They are so much better in so many ways than any man made sunscreen and will mmost likely be proven to be much safer as well.
Is it even possible to have the cosmetic (tan) and not have the UVR protection? If not, why is there even an issue concerning Afamelanotides cosmetic side effect.
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Reply #68 - 02/06/10 at 01:06:43
 
"where are you getting this information from...?"
 
The company said the other 65 were not statistically significant in the trial.  Good enough?
 
If you don't believe me, do some digging.  That's how I get my info - straight from the sources.
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Reply #69 - 02/06/10 at 05:30:58
 
Hey, all!  It's "the woman who has EPP" and is hoping to participate in the clinical trial.  I am a member of the APF, American Porphyria Foundation and they are posting updates from Clinuvel.  I'm in a hurry and too lazy to quote it, lol, but they just posted an update Jan 25th that they are proceding with the US trials.  I have requested more info, but likely will not hear from them until they are ready to start.  I sure hope I don't get the placebo...that would just plain "suck".  I have been having increased sensitivity this last year and I don't know how I will survive another summer.  Last summer, on a quite cloudy day on the coast, i was outside less than an hour and avoiding the sun the best I could.  I burned so bad, the swelling prevented me from making a fist and the pain and burning kept me awake 3 nights with constant doses of diphenhydramine (benadryl) and ibuprofen.  And when I say awake, I mean with not a wink of sleep!  It was not pretty and we were on a family vacation. Sad
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Reply #70 - 02/06/10 at 13:55:19
 
Nanelle, it's not nice to hear about your symptoms but i think and hope that one day things will work out for you, in one way or another.
 
Keep us posted, i'd love to know how you get on with the EPP trial if it goes ahead.
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Reply #71 - 02/06/10 at 15:27:27
 
Thanks!  I'm trying so hard to be patient until I get more info!
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Reply #72 - 02/06/10 at 15:53:03
 
Reading your last comment, I'm wondering if you've ever considered to use afamelanotide [melanotan-1] or Melanonotan II going the "in-official route"?
There are many type one's here, who did have painful sunburns in the past as well. I can only imagine how much worse it must be for you, but for many people here the benefits are worth the risks.
 
It's probably not a good idea to start something like this now, though, considering you are expecting to get on the Clinuvel trial, since you would falsify the resulting data or you might even get excluded when they find out.
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Reply #73 - 02/06/10 at 19:43:10
 
I definitely don't want to jeopardize my chances for participation!  I will be patient and do a lot of praying that if I do get to be included(pretty sure I will) that I don't get the placebo!  Shocked. In the previous trials, the participants with EPP were allowed to continue the medication after the trial period ended.  The BIG question is did the poor souls who received the placebo get that option??  Sure hope so!!
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Reply #74 - 02/06/10 at 22:23:14
 
Quote from Nanelle on 02/06/10 at 19:43:10:

The BIG question is did the poor souls who received the placebo get that option??  Sure hope so!!

 
It would have been unethical for Clinuvel to not have given the placebo group the implants afterwards if they subsequently gave 'mercy' implants to those who got the drug. Besides I think every trial cohort member eventually got to trial the drug but just as part of staggered divisions.
 
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Reply #75 - 02/06/10 at 22:46:50
 
Oh, thanks, Scott!  I do seem to remember something about staggered doses, just wasn't sure that meant everyone tried it.  That's a relief!   Wink
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Reply #76 - 02/07/10 at 19:42:02
 
Quote from Nanelle on 02/06/10 at 05:30:58:
Hey, all!  It's "the woman who has EPP" and is hoping to participate in the clinical trial.  I am a member of the APF, American Porphyria Foundation and they are posting updates from Clinuvel.  I'm in a hurry and too lazy to quote it, lol, but they just posted an update Jan 25th that they are proceding with the US trials.  I have requested more info, but likely will not hear from them until they are ready to start. 

 
could you please produce a link (or proof) to this Jan 25th announcement about proceding with US trials??
 
 
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Reply #77 - 02/07/10 at 22:27:35
 
Well, here's the notice on the APF website.
Notice of IND Status:
 
www.clinuvel.com/resources/pdf/asx_announcements/2009/20090129IND.pdf
 
this is a link to the Phase III Eurpoean trials for those interested:
 
http://clinicaltrial.gov/ct2/show/NCT00979745
 
 
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Reply #78 - 07/01/10 at 02:04:21
 
I really don't want to jump into the fray again but I will say that the trials HAVE begun in the US.  I passed the screening and have had a second appt in which I was given either the placebo or the actual implant. Keeping my fingers crossed it's the real thing. Not sure how much to share here, but there's not much to tell.  I will post whether I seem to be noticing a difference or not.  I hesitate to share anything with the people that are bashing the idea of testing it on EPP sufferers first.  I'm going to leave it at that and let the rest of you go at it. Wink
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Reply #79 - 11/20/10 at 03:41:50
 
Any updates?
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