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sshhaannee -Melanotanite- Posts: 91	Re: market ready Reply #20 - 02/17/09 at 18:57:45 Ill go out on a limb here and predict that when afamelanotide [melanotan-1] is finally approved the tanning industry will see the biggest renaissance since 14th century Italy.
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Re: market ready
Reply #21 - 02/20/09 at 05:52:15

Quote from drew on 02/17/09 at 00:50:15:

Anyone who thinks that this stuff will be obtainable only by patients with specific medical disorders is out of his freakin' mind.

Drew

Drew (and anyone else thinking this way), I am sorry to rain on this parade of hope but this thinking fails to account for a very major aspect. Clinuvel (or whichever company is the license holder) is going to be the only one to decide how many of the licensed and regulated implants are manufactured and marketed. If the license holding company decides to only manufacture and market enough of the implants to cover target indication populations, anyone not a member of them is likely going to have a seriously difficult time obtaining an implant from any clinic. If the license holding company decides to limit implant production doctors will not be in a fully ethical position to be using implants for off label indications if doing so is going to negatively impact the availability of the implants destined for those who stand to gain most from their usage from a medicinal standpoint. That is the potential harsh reality folks hoping for access to the implants who fall outside of the target patient populations are faced with.

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Re: market ready
Reply #22 - 02/20/09 at 11:57:19

that is a very good point Scott, i've been thinking about that for some time.

do you think we will still be able to obtain 'melanotan-1' peptides after the implant release? (if Clinuvel successfully gets afamelanotide [melanotan-1] to market, that is)

also what effect do you think the 'only prescribed for target patient populations' situation would have on the value of Clinuvel's as a company?

-i'm thinking that if it will only be produced in relation to the demand for such ailments then we're not looking at anything spectacular, i mean, could Clinuvel survive and make enough profit by only producing for such a population? unless further down the line it becomes more available for a wider variety of conditions/'excuses' i'm wondering if there will be enough of a market for them to get much financial growth out of this.

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Reply #23 - 02/20/09 at 23:58:58

Quote from Scott on 02/20/09 at 05:52:15:

If the license holding company decides to only manufacture and market enough of the implants to cover target indication populations, anyone not a member of them is likely going to have a seriously difficult time obtaining an implant from any clinic.

-Scott

Interesting point, but why on earth would Clinuvel -- a company whose mission is to make profit for its stockholders -- decide to limit production of something that brings in more profit? Surely Clinuvel is smart enough to realize that the off-label usage market will be huge, and you can bet your boots they're going to capitalize on that.

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Reply #24 - 02/21/09 at 00:14:32

Quote from drew on 02/20/09 at 23:58:58:

Interesting point, but why on earth would Clinuvel -- a company whose mission is to make profit for its stockholders -- decide to limit production of something that brings in more profit? Surely Clinuvel is smart enough to realize that the off-label usage market will be huge, and you can bet your boots they're going to capitalize on that.

Drew

Back it up a bit and read what I originally wrote.

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drew -Melanotanite- Got Melanotan.org? Posts: 51	Re: market ready Reply #25 - 02/21/09 at 03:44:31 Quote from Scott on 02/21/09 at 00:14:32: Back it up a bit and read what I originally wrote. I don't know what you're referring to. Nothing I've seen on this board would suggest that Clinuvel will try to limit their production of melanotan-1. Drew
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Scott Stevenson Melanotan.org Founder Melanotan.org Admin Posts: 3363 Gender:	Re: market ready Reply #26 - 02/21/09 at 03:58:01 Quote from drew on 02/21/09 at 03:44:31: I don't know what you're referring to. Nothing I've seen on this board would suggest that Clinuvel will try to limit their production of melanotan-1. Drew Indeed but the question of what time scale for such a thing to happen (if it does that is) is very much in mind here. -Scott
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drew -Melanotanite- Got Melanotan.org? Posts: 51	Re: market ready Reply #27 - 02/21/09 at 11:37:56 Quote from Scott on 02/21/09 at 03:58:01: Indeed but the question of what time scale for such a thing to happen (if it does that is) is very much in mind here. -Scott I'm sorry but I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Drew
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Reply #28 - 02/21/09 at 18:32:21

Your not raining on anyone's parade Scott as your opinion is just that. Wink

In my humble opinion i just don't see the logic in a company spending millions of dollars getting their product to market only to hold back on the manufacture for some reason or limiting themselves to the rather small off label market. Huh

When i say small off label market i mean small when compared to the gold mine that awaits once melanotan-1 is approved and then advertised as a preventative medication for sunburn the precursor to premature skin ageing and other nasty skin conditions like Melanoma. This will be an absolutely massive market not to mention the just as massive if not massive er Huh

cosmetic market that will open up Shocked

..... Also i don't understand why you say that the implant will be seriously difficult to obtain from your Doctor and that there-ll be some kind of ethical dilemma. Huh

Off label use of medications is perfectly legal and is also very common.

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Reply #29 - 04/28/09 at 03:34:41

Quote from sshhaannee on 02/21/09 at 18:32:21:

Your not raining on anyone's parade Scott as your opinion is just that. Wink

In my humble opinion i just don't see the logic in a company spending millions of dollars getting their product to market only to hold back on the manufacture for some reason or limiting themselves to the rather small off label market. Huh

When i say small off label market i mean small when compared to the gold mine that awaits once melanotan-1 is approved and then advertised as a preventative medication for sunburn the precursor to premature skin ageing and other nasty skin conditions like Melanoma. This will be an absolutely massive market not to mention the just as massive if not massive er Huh

cosmetic market that will open up Shocked

..... Also i don't understand why you say that the implant will be seriously difficult to obtain from your Doctor and that there-ll be some kind of ethical dilemma. Huh

Off label use of medications is perfectly legal and is also very common.

Very true...I can comment from personal experience here. I had silicone microdroplet injections to raise depressed acne scars. This is not FDA approved for treating acne scars, only retinal detachments. However, I decided about three years ago to have it administered by my dermatologist 'off-label' for treating acne scarring. Don't really know what this means for melanotan on e though??

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Re: market ready
Reply #30 - 04/28/09 at 23:58:06

Wow, this means I can go out in the sun next summer without having a itching and burning skin.
It will be out next years march or june, thats summer in europe. I´m sorry for the americans, but at least we´ll have it in europe (so visit us here, there´s a lot to see)
And Scott: Melanotan was not developped for treating people having the Orphan Syndrom. They spend 100 AUS$ for a couple of them ? SURE. Just have a look how much they are going to produce of this stuff. Too much for just a few people.
And btw, I take 5 meds in the moment, none of them was approved for the diseases I got, nevertheless they are all the first choice for treating these conditions.
And regarding the patent: They are going to have the patent more than just a couple of years. Never herad of MeToo Drugs to renew patents.

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Polestar -Melanotanner- Donor Type I Redhead, lt blue eyes, some freckles Posts: 410 Gender:	Re: market ready Reply #31 - 04/29/09 at 00:45:03 Scott was saying that is was granted Orphan Drug status by the FDA. I believe that means that it is a drug used to treat more rare diseases. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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Reply #32 - 04/29/09 at 11:25:56

hey i live in germany and i know (because of my profession) that many dermatologists struggle to survive. They prefer people who a private insurance, because they are the only persons who brings money.

Especially in areas with a high number of poor immigrants, who only have state insurances, the dermatologists would do everthing if u drop in and say " Hey doc, i am so pale, i want to get a tan. Please give me afamelanotide [melanotan-1]".
That will work 99%.

If u have no chances to get it in germany, just visit poland. A country where u can get EVERYTHING!

Remember: Much money -> good medical treatment, No money->poor medical treatment.

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Reply #33 - 04/29/09 at 16:51:24

sirler, are u a dermatologist?, i didnt know poland or germany was like that, things must really be bad if dermatologists are struggling to survive. but if it is, it would certainly be worth getting a low cost flight out there, get the implant and then go elsewhere on holiday, or whatever. Im sure if this is the case we will definietly hear about it on the internet, and folk will be going about it this way!

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Reply #34 - 04/30/09 at 00:17:40

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sirler, are u a dermatologist?, i didnt know poland or germany was like that, things must really be bad if dermatologists are struggling to survive. but if it is, it would certainly be worth getting a low cost flight out there, get the implant and then go elsewhere on holiday, or whatever. Im sure if this is the case we will definietly hear about it on the internet, and folk will be going about it this way!

i work in a pharmaceutical company and have close contacts to doctors!

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it would certainly be worth getting a low cost flight out there, get the implant and then go elsewhere on holiday, or whatever.

Yes of course, germany is very nice.

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Reply #36 - 04/30/09 at 04:54:08

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good information, nice to know

no worries, mate!

Maybe Scott can open a new secttion "how to get the implant without rare diseases". Then we can post several possibilites and give adresses of doctors who prescripe afamelanotan for cosemtic reasons.
I think every person has the right to get this implant.

In germany, we have many nice places. U can visit museums or learn something about about the ancient nazi regime. It is very interesting.
And we have lots of blond women Wink

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golfsullivan Melanotanee Got Melanotan.org? Posts: 1 Gender:	Re: market ready Reply #37 - 07/10/09 at 01:19:14 Why won't it ever be on the market?
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Rachy Rach -Melanotanite- Got Melanotan.org? Posts: 58	Re: market ready Reply #38 - 09/25/09 at 17:32:50 Scott Stevenson "If the license holding company decides to only manufacture and market enough of the implants to cover target indication populations, anyone not a member of them is likely going to have a seriously difficult time obtaining an implant from any clinic." This is worrying.
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sirler84 Ex Member	Re: market ready Reply #39 - 09/26/09 at 07:59:49 Quote: If the license holding company decides to only manufacture and market enough of the implants to cover target indication populations, anyone not a member of them is likely going to have a seriously difficult time obtaining an implant from any clinic Why should they act like this? Therefore clinuvel will reduce its benefit.
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