hi,  
 
it seems that everyone who uses the peptides gets sick somehow.
 
i think it is from impurities.
 
to be objective about the peptides we must only use pharmaceutical grade, and sterile injection procedures.
 
this is the only way to find out weather the peptides cause health problems, without the user being blamed.
 
you can get pharmaceutical grade peptides, over 99% pure if you go straight to the manufacturer, and skip the middleman, who could be selling you anything.
 
post your results, before and after, right here, if you use only pharmaceutical grade peptides.
 
these forums hide the truth, and blame health problems on the user, instead of the peptides, therefore use only pharmaceutical grade over 99% pure directly from the manufacturer, and post your objective results here, for the good of the community.
 
thanks
 
thanks

hi
 
excellent
 
i was wondering if we could open up a new more organized forum space with statistics based on surveys of those who had zero side effects, and the side effects that people did have.
 
this would be a high profile sticky for all to see
 
thanks

man,  
 
this is scary, where have i ever made a questionable recommendation, or false post?
 
let me explain, it seems even the best responders at some point have at least SERIOUS enough side effects to consider quitting, and to ponder weather they want to continue using peptides for many months or years.
 
for one: majik, has swollen glands, and believes it is from the peptides,  there are others too, henry porter wondered weather the peptides could be causing joint pain, and sunless princess, and nice girl in nice maybe used impure peptides, and had organ shutdown.
 
i have only tried to point users toward using pharmaceutical grade peptides in order to put an end to noticing health problems being blamed on users or impurities.  
 
using pharmaceutical grade, and an injection procedure that is completely sterile, is the only way to objectively determine what is causing the health problems of users.
 
why would i be banned, for being objective and honest?
 
thanks

listen friend,  
 
i am not saying everyone who has used the peptides has had health issues stemming from the peptides.
 
i am merely trying to get some objective order going on in these forums by asking that people dont just use any old vial of peptides they can acquire, this hurts things in a few ways,
 
first,  if there are impurities in the peptides, which are causing the health problems which people are reporting, it falsely implicates the peptides, not EVERYONE, but A LOT of users are saying they have no health problems, and A LOT of users are saying they do:
 
majik(swollen glands, coughing), sunless_princess(organ shutdown), nice_girl_in_nice(organ shutdown), henry_porter recently suggested joint pain, could be being caused by the peptides, milk_man(swollen glands), gobo(claimed his multilpe sclerosis stemmed from  peptides), others who have posted far back, and aren't showing up in the search results any longer reported mini-strokes, and extreme allergic reactions to the peptides
 
there have been inspiring logs without any health problem reports too, like polar_bear, and the_scotsman, polar_bear used the peptides long term, and the_scotsman used a number of cycles.
 
so, the only way to determine what is causing the health problems is to make sure to only use pharmaceutical grade peptides, and sterile procedures, and post the results objectively for the community.
 
that way, impurities can be ruled out.
 
i am in no way recommending anything but that people use peptides which are pharmaceutical grade, over 99% pure, and that users buy directly from manufacturers they trust are over 99% pure.
 
i thought i found one manufacturer that produces peptides of that grade, but maybe in your research you found they do not, but the point is, only use pharmaceutical grade peptides direct from a trusted manufacturer, and sterile injections, then keep detailed logs, of all health problems before and after.
 
thanks

Ive never had a problem, then again I don't inject ridiculous amounts like most people here..

Razzy and all,
With respect to side effects there is a major difference between melanotan-1 and 2. melanotan II is a small enough peptide to cross the blood brain barrier and enter the brain. The larger peptide melanotan-1 does not. The receptor profiles are also a little different but the big point here is melanotan II gets into the brain, and one could experience an array of symptoms such as nausea, headache, a feeling of unwellness, even fever; or may not notice anything. The s/e are dose dependent and handled well by people who dose in an appropriate manner. Although purity is important, I believe your comments are not well grounded at all.  
FairDoc

Most, if not all, "pure" "pharmaceutical" grade drugs that are given on prescription have side effects because drugs are not "clever" enough to target ONLY the part of the body's system that they are designed to work on. Pure or not, side-effects, or adverse effects, of any drugs are common ranging from mild through to severe.  It is a fact of life.  As someone has said before even licensed prescription drugs cause side effects and it is sometimes years before a serious side effect can be linked to the drug that caused it, sometimes years after a license has been granted.  
 
As far as imputities go, I just wanted to clear up the fact that these might not necessarily cause side effects. sometimes the purer the drug the more side effects occur as the more potent the drug will be.  Impurities might not be good for you due to various reasons depending on what they actually are e.g. a bacteria or virus, contamination with a dangerous product, contamination with a non-dangerous product etc, but they cannot be said to be definitely responsible for side effects per se!

Quote from garygroundwork on 12/06/08 at 00:50:12:

 
Because along with the one nugget of good advice (ie: verify peptide purity) he/she threw in a bunch of total allegations/accusations about the site/forum which are absolute and total crap. Read Jacques' logic as well... this holds very true relative to the number of people who are using the peptides vs. those who are reporting issues. As far as what you're reporting about your friend, I suspect that he was using either a bacterially/fungally contaminated batch of peptide or else the peptide was anything but pure (mixed with fillers, etc.).  
 
-Scott

Quote from garygroundwork on 12/06/08 at 02:48:48:

It would depend upon at what point in the production and handling of the peptide that it would become contaminated. If the production was sloppy then the whole production batch could be contaminated, if the production was good but then the peptide was not handled properly and allowed to be exposed to sources of contamination during the bottling process then the given level of contamination would likely vary from vial to vial. Another potential factor is how well the vial would be sealed and under what conditions it was sealed. These concerns are now covered in the WARNINGS / FAQ Section / New Peptide Users Read! thread.
 
-Scott

just thought I would add my 2 cents worth...just started tonight with first injection...absolutely no side effects what so ever...and I dosed more then I wanted to start with..my error