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Reply #60 - 04/08/08 at 01:24:34
 
Dear Princess,
 
Sorry to read about your concerns but thanks for your honesty.
 
In the photos your skin looks excellent, with a healthy glow, but obviously since the photos were taken you have noticed changes that you don't like.
 
Thanks for the link.  I read the article and, aside from the mention of leathery-skinned ex-sailors etc. it mentions that skin gets thinner as it ages.   I have thin skin already (mid forties) so hoping that melanotan will thicken my skin and also make it less prone to damage from sun exposure.
 
Thanks for the log, everyone's experiences help us to learn.  Hope you can find a balance and results you feel happy about.
 
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Reply #61 - 04/08/08 at 16:59:11
 
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First it is disheartening to hear of your troubles and I'm sorry to read of your difficulties. Clinical trials have been performed by Epitan (now called Clinuvel) that demonstrated that melanotan-1 reduces UV skin damage. I've responded to your Skin Thickening/Wrinkles post here with citations about this.
 
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Reply #62 - 04/09/08 at 00:33:01
 
I have to agree with Scott on this one. I just don't understand how it could have happened that quickly. People tend to see lines better when they're tan.. i.e. muscle definition, etc. Are you sure these aging signs weren't there already and Melanotan hasn't just highlighted them?
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Reply #63 - 04/14/08 at 19:40:24
 
I will post pics soon...I just don't have much time. I hear what everyone is saying and I can't say that I didn't have the wrinkles before...although I am an avid Sunless tanner and everytime I was tan with that product you couldn't see the wrinkles. I do understand that it is a surface color which may not show up as much. I have NOT tanned my face once since I have been loading but I still have quite a few wrinkles and puffy eyes that were never there (maybe thickening, I don't know.) I have tanned my lower body a total of 3 times and when I push the skin together it is very rough looking. My only theory is that since most sun damage occurs in younger years (up to age 15 or so) I wonder if the damage was there but now that we are using a chemical that is increasing this "protection" in an unnatural way, we are actually aging our skin. Yes, fair-skinned people tend to have thinner skin which is interesting when you see fair people who go out in the sun alot have worse skin. Those that are naturally dark don't have as much damage. My biggest concern is the large number of people that have posted this "aging" phenomenon. No, you can't get wrinkles in "two months" BUT I would wonder if you can bring up years of previous sun damage from a peptide in a short amount of time?
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Reply #64 - 04/14/08 at 21:51:11
 
wow, you're describing my exact situation, wrinkles, puffy eyes (all of a sudden), that ruff, crocodile- look when i crunch my skin together, ect.
and i actually have that same theory, that somehow this chemical speeds up the showing of past damage, but i just can't figure out why?
it's proven in the clinical trials, that it actually lessens the dna-damage from uv-exposure(by 50something%, i think?) , but maybe only on previously undamaged skin? maybe if you're skin-dna is already damaged and 'mutated', it won't work the same, and the thickening-effect only shows the damage already done? i dunno
then my other question is, once done, can it be reversed?
i've been off my cycle for months now, and since my moles and freckles have considerably faded, my skin does look a lil younger and since i'm way paler now, the wrinkles are not that pronounced, but still i feel, i'm not where i was before melanotan II.
so i've been looking at this serum 'remergent dna-repair', which is supposed to 'repair your past skin-damage and protect from further damage, might give that a try.
also, have you read about, how scientists have reversed skin-aging in mice by blocking a gene (nf-kappa-b)? i wonder what they used to block it...? Huh
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Reply #65 - 04/15/08 at 00:51:26
 
SoulFinger I am interested in what you have said because you mentioned that you used Melanotan II. Sunless, you also used Melanotan II in conjunction with melanotan-1. At this point, I have not heard of this "skin aging" experience with other melanotan-1 users. I'm wondering now, at this point, if it was I or II that caused these problems.
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Reply #66 - 04/15/08 at 02:39:36
 
I have taken almost 10mgs of melanotan II so far. In addition to 110 mgs of melanotan-1 and the sunbed twice at week at 15 mins a session, I am not getting wrinkles. Now this could change, so I will keep close monitoring of it. Everyone is different, so we will just have to see how it goes. I will probably not do too much melanotan II..maybe 30 mgs instead of 50..I am not sure yet..I know I am getting darker finally.
 
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Reply #67 - 04/15/08 at 05:34:01
 
Quote from Bronceado on 04/15/08 at 00:51:26:
SoulFinger I am interested in what you have said because you mentioned that you used Melanotan II. Sunless, you also used Melanotan II in conjunction with melanotan-1. At this point, I have not heard of this "skin aging" experience with other melanotan-1 users. I'm wondering now, at this point, if it was I or II that caused these problems.

 
yes, i've used melanotan II, which is probably why it happened so quick since it is so super-potent.
would it have happenend with melanotan-1, i don't know.  
i'm not even a 100 %, it's these peptides at all, but still have to make that connection, since it all happened after using it.
i even thought about cycling with melanotan-1, just for further sun-protection and maybe a little color, but i'm in my skin-rebuilding-phaze right now, so i will have to see.
i sure miss my latino-complexion tho cry
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Reply #68 - 04/16/08 at 00:29:01
 
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I also thought of the melanotan II being the cause of it...I didn't have any sides with melanotan-1 and now I am having huge issues to include numbness and tingling in my lower extremities, major insomnia (had a little with melanotan-1 too) and tons of darkening of freckles. I am definitely doing melanotan-1 and hate that I accidentally tried the melanotan II. Honestly, it was EXACTLY a week or so after using melanotan II that all the skin issues arose. Who knows...the insomnia is playing a huge role because lack of sleep= lack of oxygen to the skin  = yada yada yada. I just wish there was more research on this product. One positive note...the area around my eyes where I had the genetic dark circles has thickened and darkned around it so they don't show up as much. My hands do look very aged though.
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Reply #69 - 04/16/08 at 01:29:21
 
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Reply #70 - 04/16/08 at 01:30:50
 
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Reply #72 - 04/16/08 at 02:05:07
 
Here's another AFTER pic. The camera just doesn't do justise but I am starting to get very concerned because ever since I posted my concern I have had many people address their skin problems too. I mean, if this is so common, the peptide HAS to be doing something. It just doesn't make sense. Is there anyone out there that had anti-aging effects? I just can't risk this and it makes me so sad because I now have to go back to the whole pale depressing life. There has to be more research to back up why this is happening to so many of us...
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Reply #73 - 04/16/08 at 02:43:32
 
Quote from josephdarling on 01/02/08 at 23:49:39:
nice results but you looked like you have aged. I took melanotan II for a couple of years and I think my skin aged faster than normal. Can this be possible?  
 
It does. It is not only the fact you expose yourself to more UV. It is something with the peptide.  
 
 
 
 
 
Quote from Bakks on 11/29/07 at 02:07:02:
I've been using melanotan II for about 18 months now. In this time I've found that my skin seems to be rougher and I guess a more "aged" look. Has anyone else found this? I'm not sure if its just in my head, a result of extra sun exposure without suncreen in order to get dark quick, or a common problem.  
 
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Combination of melanotan II and sun exposure definitely speed up aging of your skin. At least that counts for type 1.
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Reply #74 - 04/16/08 at 02:48:56
 
hm..in the before pics honestly you do not look very pale at all. I know you think you are pale, but I dont even know if you need the melanotan-1. I always thought this. You have been a big help for me on here and also chatting. My honest opinion is that you are very beautiful and don't need a tan as bad as you think.
 
I am much lighter then you and do not have dark eyebrows even. I am starting to get dark now and so far am not seeing any aging. You got dark a lot faster then me. I know the sunless tan is a pain, but you look awesome compared to a lot of us who are really white and need this even more.
 
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Reply #75 - 04/16/08 at 05:29:16
 
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   I just don't understand where people are getting their information...so many people are speaking of that "aged" look and are stating that Type I's are more likely to have an adverse reaction with the peptide but where is the research coming from? It would be helpful to get clinical studies or proof since we all have different experiences. There is no way it can be a combo of melanotan II and sun because I do not tan my face at all so how does that work?
 
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  No problem friend! Always here to help and we are all in this crazy experiment together. I just hope we aren't causing irreversible damage. Another side note...I just went through the most horrific tme of my life and stress is sooo high which is why my skin is struggling. HOWEVER, I do feel that the skin thickness shows more wrinkles. I now know for a fact that they were there before (I looked at past pics up close) but they weren't as noticeable. The darkening and the thickening play a huge role. Now, my question is...if we remove the damage by TCA peels or microdermabrasion, will it come back as long as we are loading? Or, is it a one-time thickening effect? That would be very good news since peels and microderm can eliminate years of damage...the down side is that it is pricey and not worth it if the peptide continues to thicken skin.
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Reply #76 - 04/16/08 at 07:12:33
 
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ok y'all will have to excuse since my sleeping pill is kicking in! LOL. I am going to tray to hav ehope here and judt take amazing care of the damage thus far. Stary preventative while loading melanotan-1 moderately. The general concencus is to drink gallons of water a day. We all need it anyway. Plus I am getting major joint pain, headaches and mood swing so melanotan II is out! I will keep all posted. I read something about P53 converting PMOS into a-MSM and that is room to reasearch why they didn't just inject P53 to START the process going? Oh well, keep searching and don't give up...theres always Phototherapy if this isn't a option but I think we will tweek it just fine. Don't give up!
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Reply #77 - 04/16/08 at 08:56:09
 
Quote from Sunless_Princess on 04/16/08 at 05:29:16:
I now know for a fact that they were there before (I looked at past pics up close) but they weren't as noticeable. The darkening and the thickening play a huge role. Now, my question is...if we remove the damage by TCA peels or microdermabrasion, will it come back as long as we are loading? Or, is it a one-time thickening effect? That would be very good news since peels and microderm can eliminate years of damage...the down side is that it is pricey and not worth it if the peptide continues to thicken skin.

 
I would watch yourself with such treatments if you are actively tanning your skin (regardless of taking one of the melanotan peptides or not). Please read this thread which discusses scarring relative to tanning in general.  
Sunless_princess, if you have not already done so then I would strongly recommend you consult with a dermatologist (preferably one with knowledge of the melanotan peptides) regarding your concerns here. You'll likely learn quite a bit about how UV radiation plays a role in damaging the skin and also learn about what would be the proper course(s) of action to take in reducing the aged appearance of your skin that you're talking about here.
 
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Reply #78 - 04/16/08 at 10:33:35
 
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Gobo,

  I just don't understand where people are getting their information...so many people are speaking of that "aged" look and are stating that Type I's are more likely to have an adverse reaction with the peptide but where is the research coming from?

 
 
Unfortunately research is coming from people givin that crap a try. Besides some tests with rats in different studies there are no researches but a lot of question marks regarding melanin.
 
note: please save up with comments "clinuvel is doing human trials...phaseIII...ect." blablablabla...every two years they are shifting the approval date. How will you even know that the stuff clinuvel is testing is what you buy on the grey market? You cant!
 
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Reply #79 - 04/16/08 at 12:53:44
 
another confusing thing to me is one time i hear skin is THINNING with age, then i hear skin is THICKENING with age, so whats really the deal?
i always thought, because of the thinning wrinkles form more easily?
also could it be, that even though your skin is really thickening with this peptide, its not because its thick with collagen, elastin, ect. but really just melanin? i'm confused Huh
i really regret not investing in a cam, so i could document every thing, but looking at your pics, sunless princess, thats where i feel i am, even tho my starting skin type is darker so subsequently my results are more pronounced.
and it seems, its a combination of things, like the freckles and moles, that make the skin look more 'unclear', then the more visible wrinkles, and then just the darker color in general. don't you think, that darker skinned people look more 'mature' in general?
so yes, don't give up, i'm sure we'll soon find the perfect balance between a beautiful skin-color, sun-protection and 'anti-aging'!  Wink
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