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Quote from MSHie on 07/18/07 at 17:21:02:

 
Thanks for your reply MSHie.
 
That's good to hear but could it merely be an increase definition due to fat loss (ie a 180 pound man with 10%bf and 162 pound of lean muscle can look more built/larger than a 200 pound man with 13%bf and 174 pound of lean muscle) or perhaps even the darker skin tone giving that impression, rather than an increase in lean muscle mass?
 
When someone said "protein catabolism" I immediately thought muscle breakdown. Is that incorrect? In the scientific papers I've seen they mention reduced adiposity but never any implications on lean muscle mass. I mean, fat can be managed but even a slight decrease in muscle is a serious issue in my eyes.

Nope, my weight is about the same whereas my BF has been decreased a bit. I definately haven't experienced any muscle loss when on melanotan II.

No muscle loss whatsoever. In fact, I have experienced the exact opposite. I swear I'm putting muscle on faster than I normally do.

well i wiehged myself the other day and since bieng on melanotan II i've lost 2kg    no good!!  but only good thing is my abs stand out more

Quote from uktanner on 07/20/07 at 19:55:29:

 
Thanks uktanner.
 
I got my first pair of dumbbells when I turned 16, and I'm 21 now. I think I was about 90kg in that pic. These days my house is basically a gym, with barely any room to spare.
 
The following is something I wrote in reply to an email from someone. It should answer most questions you have.
 
Q.) What is your diet? What foods do you eat?
I have a bit of a strange diet.. Some would call it extreme. Basically, when I'm cutting or even just maintaining I'll only have milk, but it large quantities. I'll drink about 6 litres of skim milk (powder) a day and have nothing else. Doing that I'll lose about 1kg a week which it optimal for keeping muscle while cutting. That works out to be 201g protein, 304g carbs, and next to no fat (total calories: 2020). If I'm bulking, I'll double the milk intake (12 litres, but I'll mix it thicker so it's only 8 litres), plus add 6-8 square meals a day. The meals include a LOT of pasta, rice, wholemeal bread, eggs, tuna, vegies, fruit, etc. This adds up to over 600g protein, close to 1000g carbs, and still not much fat (total calories: around 6500).
 
Q.) How many times do you go to the gym?
Whether I'm cutting or bulking, I'll workout 5 days a week. Each of those days involves 30 minutes of situps in the morning, 45 minutes of high-intensity interval training at around midday (or late afternoon if I'm working), and 45 minutes of weight-lifting in the evening. If I've got something else going on those days, say footy training for instance, I'll simple sub it in. And, if I'm feeling sore I'll take rest day, but for the most part this workload is fine for me. I have a huge advantage of only having to work 2 days a week and getting paid very well for those two days, easily supporting me for the rest of the week. Which means I pretty much live to lift.
 
The following is my weight-lifting schedule:
Monday: Chest, Back (total sets: 30-40)
Tuesday: Biceps, Triceps, Shoulders (total sets: 45*)
Wednesday: Legs (total sets: around 30)
Thursday:  Biceps, Triceps, Shoulders (total sets: 45*)
Friday: Legs (total sets: around 30)
If I feel the need, I'll add another Chest/Back session on Saturday.
 
*Lots of supersets to fit it into 45 minutes.
 
Each set I make sure to lift till failure, and have failure around 5-7 reps, which is optimal for muscle growth. Also, form is paramount, gotta get the full range-of-motion to get the full benefits.

Quote from uktanner on 07/21/07 at 11:23:48:

 
My bulking and cutting periods are actually quite drawn-out, coming in at around 3 months each. As far as the milk thing goes, I firmly believe I could survive on it (and flourish for that matter) indefinitely (with multivitamin supplementation also). I mean, it is pretty much the perfect "meal". It's loaded with protein and has an optimal protein to carb ratio (in my opinion) of 2:3. Also, having both casein and whey type protein it has all the amino acids that your body needs. Then there is the benefits of Calcium and Vitamin D... Also consider that it is the main source of nutrition for most animals (including us) during our most important period of growth/development, and for good reason.
 
I've been on this diet for the last 4 years or so, and I've only been sick once and that was just a cold which I had for a couple days. No mineral or vitamin deficiencies to speak of. Never felt better. I think there is also significant psychological benefits, knowing that I'm taking it to the max, not giving an inch... Strengthens my motivation even further. Sure, I remember when I used to get cravings and such, but after a while it just dies down, and now I wouldn't want it any other way. Food is a fuel, no more no less. Some fuels are better than others. Milk is the ultimate.
 
That concludes my rant.

My first cycle of melanotan II I went from 180~lbs at around 9-10% BF to 140lbs 9-10% bf.  
 
I started to feel REAL sick after my first cycle of melanotan II and the feeling didn't really subside when I quit usage.  I was totally unable to eat while on except for very late at night.