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Reply #80 - 11/18/06 at 20:21:20
 
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Reply #81 - 11/19/06 at 08:14:37
 
Socialguy:
I must compliment you on your scientific approach.  Your results indicate that a better carrier or a modified Forskolin may be necessary.  Earlier I tried DMSO; but, my skin got too irritated to continue the experiment.  I hesitate to try that one again.
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Reply #82 - 11/19/06 at 23:57:59
 
Hey all!
 
I found a patent using coleus family plants for pigmentation of skin and hair. They describe the carrier for an extract of coleus to enhance skin pigmentation before sun exposure.
 
Here's the composition:
Alcohol 42.5g
Propylene glycol 3g  
Menthol 0.05 g  
Hydroxypropyl methyl cellulose 1.5 g  
Extract of Coleus (dry weight) 0.03 g  
Perfumed aqueous excipients qsp 100 g <-- means to complete to 100g.
 
 
Here's the link:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=2&am p;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=74&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=forskolin&s2=melanin&OS=forskolin+AND+melanin&RS=forskolin+AND+melanin
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Reply #83 - 11/19/06 at 23:59:03
 
ah, btw, I guess it would be better to use pure forskolin...
 
Anyway they describe how to make a good powder extract.
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Reply #84 - 11/20/06 at 00:07:44
 
Hey, me again!
 
There's also a face tanning gel and a Dermatological gel intended for promoting the pigmentation of the skin in this patent. And they bot use carbopol gel (which is easy to get and use).
 
And that makes me remember that the successive MelanX formulation was a gel (and that was confirmed to me by Dr. Fuller in person). But Cutanix at that time wanted a lotion to avoid skin dryness, and they were unable to design a good one (I mean as effective as the gel). So Fuller left Cutanix being bored of waiting.
 
Here's the recipe:  
 
Extract of Coleus 0.03 g  
Ethanol 30 g  
Distilled water 20 g  
Carbopol .RTM. gel qsp 100 g
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Reply #85 - 11/20/06 at 10:30:06
 
to hell with a lotion for "moisture".  Gel huh?  Excellent. I think now we've all realized there are many ways to go about this.  
 
Excellent find with this patent info -- gold.  I'm gonna try this one out right away.  Please others do likewise. A patent by a derm is worth our attention.
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Reply #86 - 11/20/06 at 10:32:50
 
Renaud, the dose for coleus seems really small, you sure that is correct?
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Reply #87 - 11/20/06 at 11:41:10
 
Well, it's not rare to see doses of less than 1% in a lotion/gel. And by memory I think that 80uM of forskolin (like the nature study) is less than 1% concentration.
 
But having a chemist /biologist calculating for us exactly what 80uM is in % would certainly help!
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Reply #88 - 11/20/06 at 21:01:57
 
Quote from renaud   on 11/20/06 at 00:07:44:


And that makes me remember that the successive MelanX formulation was a gel (and that was confirmed to me by Dr. Fuller in person). But Cutanix at that time wanted a lotion to avoid skin dryness, and they were unable to design a good one (I mean as effective as the gel). So Fuller left Cutanix being bored of waiting.


 
You've discussed this with Dr. Fuller personally?? Tell us more...!!
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Reply #89 - 11/20/06 at 21:30:56
 
It's been a while since I spoke with him. I was by email. I spoke to another scientist at Cutanix too, by the phone.
 
Not much to say. His gel works on every skin types. He uses a xanthine. He has a hard time getting it to market (it was supposed to be 1999 for Europe and 2001 for USA at first!). He tried it on himself. It takes 2 weeks to get some visible color (he's type 3 I think) and a month to get a tan at one application a day. He says his tech is superior to melanotan for fair skinned people. Well he first thought Melanotan wouldn't work for red haired.
 
his patents are online. You can see them at US Patent office website (as well as other very interesting patents). but Since he left Cutanix, he doesn't respond to my email anymore.
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Reply #90 - 11/21/06 at 04:24:15
 
I find the situation with Dr. Fuller and MelanX very strange.  If he had a "miracle tanning product", I can't understand why he didn't get any other company to back him up once the issues with Cutanix didn't work out.
 
It's strange...why some miracle drug and its patent is basically sitting in someone's drawer.
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Reply #91 - 11/21/06 at 04:38:20
 
Yep, it sounds strange, but it is not. First, I saw many small, medium and big companies droping real sunless tanning technologies in development, or siting on patents for those techs.
 
Second, he is a full-time researcher / professor.  
 
Third, his experience with Cutanix has probably turn him down. Still, he is associated with another company as a consultant (for skin whiteners for the moment).
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Reply #92 - 11/21/06 at 08:25:09
 
Renaud, can you post the formula for MelanX please?
 
I can't figure out how to find it by searching US patent office.  Can you also specify how you do that and find all this excellent information?
 
Thanks.
 
I will try MelanX right away if I can take a look at it.
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Reply #93 - 11/21/06 at 20:02:58
 
There's no formula for MelanX. According to Fuller, the patent doesn't give the formula of MelanX, although it covers his ass agaisnt being copied. it simply put the boundaries of the patented invention and his product is within them.
 
The patent says the lotion contains: a xanthine (or a combination of xanthines), tyrosine, a carrier/vehicule capable of delivering the xanthines to the melanocytes.
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Reply #94 - 11/21/06 at 21:54:55
 
damn.  I did read about xanthines and melanocyte stimulation though, I remember.
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Reply #95 - 11/21/06 at 22:14:10
 
I bet he was focused on IBMX (it's a xanthine) -- there are so many studies showing this stuff being incredibly powerful inducer of melanogenesis.  More than probably even Melanotan.  More than maybe any other melanin inducer.  it is often used as a control to compare new potential melanogenesis stimulators.  
 
It indirectly stimulates cAMP by inhibiting Phosphodiesterase (PDE), which is a group of enzymes that degrade the second messenger molecules: cyclic nucleotides cAMP and cGMP. They regulate the localization, duration, and amplitude of cyclic nucleotide signaling within subcellular domains. PDEs are therefore important regulators of signal transduction mediated by these second messenger molecules.
 
So again, this stuff works by allowing cAMP to rise in the body like Forskolin, but via a different route it seems.  
 
I just dunno if it's a small enough molecule to penetrate skin.  
 
Can someone who knows check?
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Reply #96 - 11/29/06 at 16:46:51
 
BTW, I find strange that fat loss gels using Forskolin or Forskolin and xanthines combination don't show tanning effects. They use similar formulation as used in patents and the forskolin tanning solution used on mice. And they have to get through skin to fatty tissues. One of them would likely be a good tanner, since it's been proven to realy reduce fat (and it uses 2 cAMP stimulator). Here is its formulation:
 
Aqua, Ethyl alcohol cosmetic grade, Propylene glycol, Coleus forskohlii extract, Camellia sinensis extract, Methylal, Theophyllinum, Glycerin, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Phenoxyethanol and mixt Paraben
Menthol, Imidazolidine urea
 
The links to the product:
 
http://www.beaute-test.com/force_ko_line_euromi.php
 
http://www.euromi.com/EUROMI_WEB/FR/forcekoline.htm
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Reply #97 - 12/08/06 at 16:54:20
 
I saw on another thread that apparently you have had some sudden success with this, if you could post any details and/or results up, it'd be awesome.
 
Cheers for taking the time to carry this experiment out btw
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Reply #98 - 12/09/06 at 18:52:07
 
HOODLUM,
Good detective work and thanks for the cheers!
I wouldn't call it sudden success. I have PMLE and skin damage probably developed from all the sun exposure in my youth as a TYPE I. The final photo show all the red spots from the PMLE. It took about 2 weeks for the Pmle to go away with the daily application of a soothing lotion. When I was rubbing in the lotion I noticed that as I squeezed the capillary blood out of the skin the three forskolin threated areas indeed did have a faint tan. Today is three weeks since the last photo and 24 days since the last forskolin/UV and there is still a faint color to the treated areas. 23 days all the showers and lotion applications there is no way that it's just stain.  
I believe there was some tanning that took place, unfortunately my PMLE got in the way of a good outcome.
It did take a long time to get there, human skin being such a good barrier and propylene glycol a rather weak skin penetrater.
I bought soom 99.9% DMSO last Thursday, thinking I might try the experiment with it. I put 2 drops of DMSO on the underside of my forearm and rubbed it on with a latex glove- about the size of a silver dollar to test for any reaction. Within 3 minutes it was stinging, the skin became very red and actually rose up from the surrounding skin. It took about 24 hours for the reaction to go away- I won't be using DMSO anymore.
I am now in a trial with Melanobronze 16 days in now. I took before photos of my arm and will post before and after when completed.
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Reply #99 - 12/10/06 at 22:21:53
 

Socialguy, DO NOT use 99.9 % DMSO -- it's even used to induce blistering, never ever use it pure.  
 
You have to dilute it to about 70-80 percent, or even as low as 25% with the rest of the carrier being Propylene gycol -- then you'll be completely fine -- maybe a touch of stinging but skin should be ok.  
 
I've been using for a week and my skin's fine at about a 75% concentration.  MUST DILUTE DMSO.
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