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08/08/04 at 22:51:06
 
Hi does anyone know if melanotan will only increase eumelanin production via its mc-1r agonist action, or will also increase production of "damaging" pheomelanin? As i have read in a number of articles that red pheomelanin is damaging to the skin eg the one cited below.  
 
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/dispomim.cgi?id=155555
 
"Two types of melanin, the red pheomelanin and the black eumelanin, are present in human skin. Valverde et al. (1995) noted that eumelanin is photoprotective, whereas pheomelanin may contribute to UV-induced skin damage because of its potential to generate free radicals in response to ultraviolet radiation. Individuals with red hair have a predominance of pheomelanin in hair and skin and/or a reduced ability to produce eumelanin, which may explain why they fail to tan and are at risk from ultraviolet radiation."
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Re: melanotan & eumelanin pheomelanin
Reply #1 - 08/13/04 at 02:55:15
 
Melanotan promotes eumelanin production only.
 
In fact, for those of us who only produce pheomelanin, Melanotan will override this process in favor of eumelanin.
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Re: melanotan & eumelanin pheomelanin
Reply #2 - 10/25/08 at 04:37:29
 
Actually in the study that I believe endymion was relying upon for his response here sideways (with whom I was discussing this) found two reports of increases in pheomelanin:
 
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The lack of a consistent increase in pheomelanin levels in skin, measured as the oxidation product AHP, following melanotan-1 therapy is intriguing. Only two subjects demonstrated a >50% increase in pheomelanin levels. Subject No. 1 demonstrated a substantial increase in pheomelanin expression after melanotan-1 without UV exposure, and subject No. 7 experienced a significant increase only after receiving both melanotan-1 and UV-B light exposure. Thus, only one subject, No. 1, experienced a significant increase in pheomelanin levels after receiving only melanotan-1. Of interest, this subject responded similarly to UV-B light exposure with a doubling of pheomelanin, after receiving 3 MED of simulated UV-B light.

 
The authors of that study even mentioned that further study about redheads needed to be done regarding the ratios of eumelanin vs. pheomelanin production:
 
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Since only individuals with Type III or IV skin were studied in the current trial, no conclusions can be extended to subjects with other skin types, and an important question is whether melanotan-1 could preferentially enhance eumelanin expression in Type I redheaded individuals with a predominance of pheomelanin expression. The recent finding of altered genes for the melanocortin-1 receptor (MC-IR) in many such redheaded or fair-skinned individuals with auburn colored hair (30) suggests that experiments to determine melanotan-1 binding and signal transduction in the epidermal melanocytes of such individuals should be performed. These studies may determine whether melanotan-1 therapy could be used therapeutically to switch melanin production from pheomelanin to eumelanin and thereby, induce a photoprotective tan. This has obvious potential as a skin cancer prevention strategy (31).

 
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Reply #3 - 01/15/10 at 23:50:58
 
Hi,
 
re: eumelanin vs pheomelanin production in Type I skin types
 
...I know this thread is old, but I wasn't around the forums back then to ask any questions and it's been a while and there may be updates.  I'm really interested if there is any update on this information.
 
Specifically I want to know if there have been studies done since the time of the mentioned study, re: pheomelanin vs eumelanin production in Type I individuals.  Please post any links that may be helpful!
 
I'm new so sorry if this info could easily be found by searching the site.  I'm new to the forum and would appreciate your help.  Thanks!
 
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Re: melanotan & eumelanin pheomelanin
Reply #4 - 02/09/10 at 04:24:07
 
Quote from endymion96 on 08/13/04 at 02:55:15:
Melanotan promotes eumelanin production only.

In fact, for those of us who only produce pheomelanin, Melanotan will override this process in favor of eumelanin.

 
 
I find this "fact" to be hard to swallow, given my personal experiences. Myself and the only real-life person I know who has experimented with melanotan both had very noticeable reddish and yellow tones to our tans. It didn't look real at all with us. I'm not sure what happened. No tanning beds were involved. The friend of mine got accused of having a spray-on tan. Normally he couldn't get a tan at all.
 
That doesn't seem like something eumelanin-only stimulation.
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Re: melanotan & eumelanin pheomelanin
Reply #5 - 02/09/10 at 04:32:08
 
Quote from ShallowCity on 02/09/10 at 04:24:07:
Quote from endymion96 on 08/13/04 at 02:55:15:
Melanotan promotes eumelanin production only.

In fact, for those of us who only produce pheomelanin, Melanotan will override this process in favor of eumelanin.



I find this "fact" to be hard to swallow, given my personal experiences. Myself and the only real-life person I know who has experimented with melanotan both had very noticeable reddish and yellow tones to our tans. It didn't look real at all with us. I'm not sure what happened. No tanning beds were involved. The friend of mine got accused of having a spray-on tan. Normally he couldn't get a tan at all.

That doesn't seem like something eumelanin-only stimulation.

 
 
Were you using melanotan-1 or melanotan II?
 
You might want to review this thread which discusses this topic further.
 
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