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Two significant announcements from Epitan
02/11/04 at 07:25:13
 
Epitan announced over the past couple of days two things:
 
1. They've appointed a New York Professor of Dermatology as Medical Advisory Consultant. Dr. Perry Robins has joined Epitan.
 
2. Implant trial has exceeded expectations.
Implant technique appears to be more effective than subcutaneous injections. Smaller doses of the drug (potentially as little as 1/10th previous doses) will be needed to achieve the same results of the earlier Phase II aqueous injection study. This will translate into a significant cost benefit for Melanotan users.
 
See thier announcements page here:
 
http://www.epitan.com.au/IRM/content/announcements.html
 
to get details.
 
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Re: Two significant announcements from Epitan
Reply #1 - 02/11/04 at 21:38:22
 
I was just about to post this, but it looks like you beat me to it, Scott.
 
Keep up the good work.
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Re: Two significant announcements from Epitan
Reply #2 - 03/02/04 at 12:05:44
 
If you do regular shot doesn't work for tan?
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Re: Two significant announcements from Epitan
Reply #3 - 03/02/04 at 13:55:26
 
The aqueous daily bolus injections (shots) were how epitan was trialed in phase I/II and phase 2b.  However, the implant was found to be much better in tanning to the implant.
 
  This is because melanotan has a short half life in the body and by keeping the drug levels at a constant low dosage the body will tan better and react better towards it.   The injections still work just not as well as the implant.
 
 However, the short half life is also due to melanotan being linear peptide, and not cyclic, a linear peptide doesnt run in a circle sort to speak and is not as potent as a cyclic peptide.
 
 That is why the dosage for melanotan II is much lower and every other day, so I believe that by taking melanotan II one should see about the same results as the implant as the drug will stay longer in the bloodstream like the implant does.
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Re: Two significant announcements from Epitan
Reply #4 - 03/03/04 at 01:55:15
 
Hi Derek,
 
I've been doing some research on Melanotan and I've found that your statement above is not quite true. I will post a full explanation under the melanotan-1 Experimentation section in a few days or maybe a week if I can't get to it.
 
But the short version is this .. the naturally occuring alpha-MSH that your body produces is indeed a linear peptide and it has a fairly short half-life (measured in hours).
 
The drug known as Melanotan (a.k.a. melanotan-1) is also of the linear variety; however, it has been tweaked at a few positions in the message sequence to make it more resistant to heat and enzymatic degradation. This change also gave melanotan-1 increased potency at the MC-1R receptor site and in addition, prolonged activity (measured in days).
 
When melanotan II was developed, it took the form of a cyclic compound of the naturally occuring alpha-MSH. It too was discovered to have high potency and prolonged activity (also measured in days) at the MC-1R receptor site.
 
What I've discovered through my research is that melanotan II is slightly more potent than melanotan-1 in regard to binding at the MC-1R receptor site. However, it is also a highly potent agonist at the MC-4R receptor site and has effects at the MC-3R and MC-5R as well. Thus, one will achieve the "boner" effect among others in addition to tanning when overdosing on melanotan II.
 
So the drawback is that while it may be slightly more potent than melanotan-1 for tanning, it has other side effects due to its affinity for the MC-4R site in particular, which may be unwanted if the dose is large enough. melanotan-1, on the other hand, is much more selective to the MC-1R and not as tightly bound to any of the other receptors sites. So in my opinion, it is a much safer drug to use for tanning if that's the only effect that is desired. The success of Epitan's compound proves my point.
 
I will be posting more of my research soon along with scientific documentation to support my claims. But I do want to say that I thank all of the experimenters out there for doing the ginea pig work. I will probably be experimenting with the form of melanotan-1 that Epitan uses in the near future as I cannot wait the 3 years to market.
 
So I'll keep this board informed when I get to it.
 
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Reply #5 - 03/03/04 at 02:21:22
 
Great!
 
Keep us all posted when you get around to trying out melanotan-1.  I've been reading the posts by a couple of guys on the melanotan II board who are experimenting with that, but there hasn't been a lot posted about experiences with melanotan-1 yet.  I'm really interested in hearing details about people's experiences with both peptides.
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Reply #6 - 03/03/04 at 02:28:04
 
Thats interesting,
 
   I think I will give Dr. Dorr a call at U. of Arizona and see what he says as far as the tanning effect seen in the pilot clinical trial for melanotan II.  Afterall I just ordered 100mg and I hope I will see good tanning from the recommended dose.
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Re: Two significant announcements from Epitan
Reply #7 - 03/03/04 at 17:16:09
 
Hey!!!
 
  Just got off the phone with Dr. Dorr and he said that while the sequence of melanotan II was slightly tweaked because of patent reasons with melanotan-1,   melanotan-1 was never changed even for the implant.
 
  So basically melanotan-1 that they know have in the implant is the same as the melanotan-1 used for the injections.
 
   Also,  the genotype study is being incorporated and done at the same time as the implant phase I/IIB trials so therefore epitan should be able to finish all its phase II trials by the end of 2004.  Some usefull information, especially if your watching the stock price.
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Reply #8 - 03/04/04 at 02:39:02
 
This is very informative because I can now be sure of the exact message sequence for melanotan-1, and hence I will know what to purchase from the peptide manufacturers. This drug also goes by the name of NDP-MSH.
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Reply #9 - 11/16/04 at 19:29:00
 
Show should someone experiment with melanotan II or MI?
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